@djsf @evan @bengo Why are corpos even at the table? It should be instances and open source implementations that work on this stuff. Like what Facebook is going to come in and be like "Oh we need such and such thing in the standard" and the folks at gaycommunists.gunclub need to suddenly break everything in order to support it?

@mauve @djsf @bengo nobody is going to have to break anything.

@evan @djsf @bengo I'm willing to bet money that if any of the big corpos get their grasp on the fediverse they will enshittify it within the next five years.

@mauve @djsf @bengo great. How much?

@evan @djsf @bengo How about dinner at a nice ramen place if we end up at a conference or something? :P

@mauve @djsf @bengo great: I will bet you dinner at a nice ramen restaurant that in 5 years if the number of implementations of ActivityPub increases, the Internet will be a better place.

@evan @djsf @bengo I'm only willing to bet that if Google and or Facebook have more sway over ActivityPub that it'll lead to another XMPP EEE moment. "Gmail 2: the death of mastodon"

@mauve @djsf @bengo well, I would like to bet that if Facebook and Pinterest and OnlyFans and Xbox implement ActivityPub, the world gets a lot better for everyone.

Or do we already agree on that?

@evan @djsf @bengo Hmm I think maybe the difference is I'd like them to implement but not be in charge. The power dynamics would be so imbalanced compared to anything else. IMO it'd be nice if AP was more like HTTP where we had the core more set in stone unlike how stuff like Group Ware and email got turned into something non–corpo impls couldn't coexist with easily.