Is it just me or have search results been getting worse lately too? It feels like the top results are having way more ads and SEO garbage in them and don't get to the point as much.

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So where should I be going for search if not DuckDuckGo? (defs not Google or regular Bing either).

@mauve I think they're rebranded Bing results and those are definitely reducing in quality.

@mauve There's a lot of alternatives. Some that come to mind are Yandex (, Brave search (, and Searx (instances at

@postemples Oh wow, SearchX seems really useful. Thank you for the links!

@EvilKiru @mauve Hey, that's why I didn't just point at one search engine and say 'use this one'. Almost all search engines are going to have biases since they rely on algorithms to rank search results. Like Yandex, for example, is based out of Russia, and thus you often see sites like RT showing up in results and you might not find what you want if you're trying to find something about the war in Ukraine. That doesn't mean you shouldn't use it (it can be very good for finding torrents and reverse image search). It just means you should be aware of the kinds of results you might get from a query in one engine versus another. In that sense, Searx might have been the best one that I recommended since it aggregates results from several different engines. I've probably used Brave search the most out of those that I recommended, and I've never personally noticed any political bias in the search results, but it's possible it might be something you might want to watch out for. I just don't think it warrants saying "don't use Brave".

@mauve …Is ChatGPT an answer? It delivers pretty excellent results for 80% of the general questions I ask it that I’d otherwise search for?

@hank I don't really want answers TBH. I also worry that LLM based search is still not trustworthy enough of a source. I really just want what Google had like 10 years ago. 😅

@mauve My current strategy is to verify what it says by searching anything that seems BS through Google. I’ve caught it making up stuff a bunch but with a little manual verification it’s still a good tool?

I want 10 years ago Google too. :(

@hank Jeeze. :P The internet is already full of lies, so having potential lies that sound authoritative as your primary interface seems kinda exhausting.

Maybe I'll start looking stuff up in literal encyclopedias and reference manuals again or something.

@mauve In fairness, a lot of what I'm asking it is "find me a script to do x" and then once it gives me the name of a tool I want I go to the docs page? That or "suggest 5 names for xyz feature" as you might to a colleague to bounce ideas off of. Sometimes it comes up with good thoguhts, sometimes it lies, but generally more good thoughts than nonsense?

Meanwhile Google is ALSO just a bunch of AI generated garbage articles that offer 10 ways to do a task in [sponsorname] software.

@mauve It's less of a primary interface and more of a starting point to learn things I don't know anything about. Most of the time when learning anything you'll realize that things you initially thought to be true were more complex or wrong anyways. Same deal here, I can just get to that point faster?

@hank Interesting. I mostly use search to find others that have had the same stack traces as me and every now and then Linux CLI stuff (though that hasn't been _too_ bad if I know the command name already).

Lately I've been using duckduckgo to find the repo URL for some dependency and then I either clone and grep or use whatever keyword search is on the repo site.

@mauve That sounds like a potentially better method for what you do (no need to filter through the LLM as an abstraction model). A lot of the programming things I use it for are explaining how things work to me. It's been quite valuable from that perspective, probably more effort than reward for you though. :P

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