The #Mozilla #Hubs shutdown is also exactly why communities should be investing in #p2p tooling. Had they gone with a fully distributed model there would be no central service to close and the communities using it could have kept doing so regardless of Mozillas involvement. Instead they went "cloud native" and initially relied on a specific cloud platform which basically locks everyone into a final shutdown regardless of who "owns" the cloud.
@mauve Thats interesting - I had never heard of Hubs until the shutdown announcement, so *THEN* I went and checked it out. The room concept is (or should be) easy to decentralize. You wanna pack up your Hub "Room", the room becomes unavailable and the door becomes locked. But no reason why anyone else need be affected.
Dang. Another actually good idea goes bork.
@tezoatlipoca I mean to be fair the Hubs team has done so much better a job at this than any proprietary platform. I think what they did makes sense in their context. For one they've been making it easy to self host a hubs instance and are working on tools and docs for folks to pull their data down and onto their self hosted instances.
@mauve @tezoatlipoca there is also the work of https://web.immers.space/ that could be now more easily applied to have Hubs self hosted instances with federation ? imho it could be a good opportunity to push toward that decentralisation now they are obliged to give it back to an external community
@SyndicWill
@olm_e @tezoatlipoca @SyndicWill Yeah federation is a great step and pretty pragmatic. Personally I think it is still not enough because it requires somelne to foot the bill for servers and places control/responsibility over communities into the hands of a few sysadmin nerds. I am a sysadmin nerd but I don't like that my existence could make or break an instance.
@mauve
that's another question, linked to how we manage the internet ;)
communities, coops, ngos, govs, have a big role to reclaim in this cyberspace now mainly owned by private interests ... this is the way
@tezoatlipoca It just happens that tech as a whole is very cloud-brained right now. 😅