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God. Why do I curse myself with trying to use Linux?

I've wasted like 30 minutes just trying to get KMail to send my invoices over gmail. After hours fiddling before it managed to download emails, but now this shit has got me totally exasperated.

Do people not use gmail to send emails on KDE typically? How is the UX such shit?

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@mauve honestly couldn't tell you about KDE, but never had a problem in gnome.

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@rogersherman I think the main culprit here is Google trying to force me to jump through a dozen hoops to use a mail client with raw SMTP/POP3. 🫠

Had to give Google my phone number to enable 2fa so I could register my authenticator app so I could remove the phone number and then create an "app password" and configure my mail client to use that.

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@mauve it does sound hellish. ;-)

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I can feel your pain and I encourage you to try MailCow, if you are able. I switched after a long stint with Gmail, then trying shared hosting, and finally I just host my own. Now I have a perfect record and my email flipping works.

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@mauve I reckon most users are still tied to webmail. I know vanishingly few people who use an actual client. I use @thunderbird myself (and it handles Gmail perfectly, even with 2fa), which is a much better experience.

Although I admit: many outlook and Mac mail users complain about the thunderbird UI (which I don't understand). IDK, I'm sorry that's your experience but email clients and calendars are software that are vastly underfunded everywhere and your experience is sadly not atypical (Linux or otherwise).

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@thatgeoguy @mauve We'll have a major update this summer that should really please those users who dislike our current UI/UX.

@mauve those of us on the Gnome Shell / Fedora side of the fence look on with amusement lol

@baliceauxPelican I had about as much pain getting GNOME to accept calendar invites. Setting up Evolution and mucking around there took almost as long. 🤣

Honestly my best email experience was using the default mail client in Windows 7 back in the day.

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