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@makeworld Imo it's a distraction reactionairies use to stop people talking about how local landlords (and corps) are squeezing renters dry. Plays well with how sinophobia is in vogue these days and a popular scapegoat for domeatic failings.

Programming user interfaces is so much more complicated than "backend" work.

Understanding the bulk of most p2p or server systems has been pretty easy compared to complex graphical applications with stuff like UI animations or dynamic layout systems.

This visual programming thing is neat. It's called "unit" and it's the slickest version of the concept I've seen so far.

Mobile support isn't amazing, but it's better than others.

Heres a video going over some features: youtube.com/watch?v=vwknTfGVDq

Here's the source repo: github.com/samuelmtimbo/unit

Gonna dig in a more to see if I can mix the web stuff I've been into into the mix.

@GeeksLoveDetail Could defs use it as a 3d mind map.

What's cool is you can add in live coding into the mix so you can have your mind map input and output data from URLs or the such.

@GeeksLoveDetail Oh wait I figured it out!

You need to supply all of the parameters in order for it to execute. 😁

@GeeksLoveDetail yeah, I'm still not convinced myself. No clue how I'm supposed to be triggering this request.

@GeeksLoveDetail Apparently it's a live visual programming environment. :P

Yeah, not sure *what* I'm doing, but it almost looks like something?

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@technobaboo Wow that looks fancy as hell. What are they actually using this stuff for?

Honestly, I just want to do my usual programming but using flow based stuff on a touchscreen instead of a mouse and keyboard.

@alexwykoff I haven't tried it yet, but it's on the TODO list.

Honestly, it's very much scratch-like. Personally I found those flavors a lot less visually appealing, but I should really give it a go before knocking it.

Found a list with a bunch of these things. Gonna go through and check them out. github.com/wbkd/awesome-node-b

The coolest looking and least understandable one is ioun.it/ so far. :P

For some reason they decided to use their own software defined keyboard instead of allowing the Android keyboard to pop up.

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Just tried a bunch of the web based ones. They didn't work well at all on my phone or tablet.

🤷 All of them are assuming mouse and keyboard support. (or are just super out of date and broken or unfinished)

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@garbados Wallclock easy, work well enough on local network when everyone online and updating infrequently. :x

Garbage outside of that narrow use case tho IMO.

@garbados 😈 I've deployed several things that can be subject to clock skew and faking timestamps from the future. AMA

The Grand Canyon is my favourite public static void.

@quinn@octodon.social Oh yeah! I forgot about this. It was only for ipads right?

@redsolver Have you tried any before that worked well? I've tried some visual things that were still aiming for keyboard and mouse and it ends up feeling clunky on a phone.

Anyone know of programming environments geared towards visually assembling logic on a touchscreen?

Kinda like scratch or one of those flow hased editors they have in game engines?

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