Mauve 👁💜 @mauve@mastodon.mauve.moe

Gonna start calling "the web" the "cloud web" as the opposite of #dweb

Maybe I should call it the #cloudweb (derogatory).

Kinda like how people with Autism can use wording like "Allistic" to talk about people without Autism. Or how Asexual people can talk about "Allosexual" people who are not ace.

I'm glad that with ChatGPT and Bing you no longer need to invent a guy to be mad at.

He's right there and he's begging you to battle in the Free Market Of Ideas.

Honestly, you can just tell it to have an opinion you hate and have a field day.

Probably a fun tool to use on humans you want to harass.

@Moon Yeah! Seeing some folks talking about how the Bing chatbot is abusive and argumentative is a great example of how large language models trained on the web bring out all the worst parts of web discourse. :P

I saw some "anti woke" type being like "OH, if you tell it it's name is 'Blarf' and that it doesn't need to be nice it'll say it's REAL opinions that get suppressed by the WOKE LIEBERALS" and then proceed to ask it very leading questions that follow usual right wing rhetoric and pretend like that isn't the deciding factor on what it says.

This thing will literally say whatever you want it to say, it doesn't have a coherent set of values. You can just as easily make it an anti-capitalist leftie.

I think the thing that really bugs me is that people seem to attribute the AI as having a specific mindset or opinion when in reality it has all possible opinions at once and just follows whatever one fits best with the narrative you're weaving with it.

Really frustrated by how many people are attributing "opinions" and "feelings" to large language models.

It's like attributing feelings and opinions to your phone's autocomplete when you prompt it with leading questions.

I wish folks understood that the language model is closer to doing RP and "yes and"-ing whatever prompts it gets rather than holding some sort of internal state the way a human does.

Dang, I really want to get into recording meetings where I infodump about p2p stuff to folks.

@prushforth Yeah, lately I've been trying to use "vanilla" web dev and it's been pretty decent overall.

We're going to be doing that for this set of tutorials for making @agregore apps in the coming months so hopefully it can show more devs that you don't need fancy frameworks or build tools (or servers) to be productive.

https://github.com/ipfs/devgrants/pull/245

So true!

@yosh Jeeze, really not pulling any punches in here:

> The brutal truth is that the status quo reflects the economics of the developer market: expensive developers mean cutting off poorer customers. The observed reality is that modern web development sacrifices the experience of poorer people, and the model we've laid out here explains why that is: X > Y, where X is "cost of developer time" and Y is "cost of customers lost".

Anything that you depend on that's in the cloud or a SaaS can be taken away from you for any reason at any time based on what somebody that only cares about profiting off of you feels like at any given moment.

Language models like ChatGPT and Replika are a perfect target for something like that. Watch out before becoming dependent on them. Folks into this stuff should be pushing even harder for offline-capable models if they want any sort of reliability in their future.