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@travisfw @jeremy_list @fleeky "scaling up can mean blowing your budget if you don't configure limits" is the thing that goes away when you stop using centralized DBs and infra and move data / logic to peers. If data gets popular it has more peers resharing it to the network instead of costing individuals more. As a dev you pay nothing (but can offer backup services), as a user the devs can't take your info/community/utility from you so long as the p2p network lives.

@travisfw @jeremy_list @fleeky Another direction is using p2p to bridge to self hosting where you host servers (or worker runners) on community or personal infra that you trust, and the p2p connections (like veilid) skip the need for setting up SSL/public IPs to talk to compute from client apps.

In the case of AWS who is paying to keep the infra running? If it's not the clients themselves then you end up with crypoto coin economics like holochain which is less appealing than stuff being free

@travisfw @jeremy_list @fleeky I think that's the direction the IPVM foks were going. https://github.com/ipvm-wg/homestar/

In P2P apps what you can do is move that "server code" onto the client directly. Then you focus on local first DBs and sync engines for getting clients on the same page.

The big question with "serverless functions" is how you can manage authority and trust. Apps that require secrets to access a DB need trusted servers. At that point you either need creds per client or skip central DBs

@travisfw @fleeky could you elaborate on what "serverless" means to you? Just stuff like cloudflare workers?

@tty That's aligned with my understanding too.

@arichtman So glad I haven't been full-body de-gloved yet 🥰💜